Some of the arguments that I’ve heard so far about the automated trash can system are concerns about how the system works and concerns about the be factor. While it’s true that it would only require one person per transport rather than the show three there is the cost of the automated trucks and apparently several different types of trucks at that. The cost factor isn’t something that has been addressed in full yet but it’s easy to determine that from a workability standpoint?
Many cities are using the automated trash collection systems which are designed to direct on streets with cars just as easily as streets that have no cars parked on them. A blog affix from one of those communities that contains a video without appear can be found where it’s stated:
York County in Virginia also uses one of the automated trash collection systems they have video and a power inform presentation on their.
Is it possible in larger cities? Appears 300,000 homes in are receiving automatic trash services. They have one of the best video presentations on the service they provide.
This isn’t to say all is rosy depending on which type of automated system the City would go with as this bind points out:
The root of the problem may be the automated garbage trucks that are proving increasingly popular statewide and nationally said John Schert director of the UF center that conducted the chew over the Florida Center for Solid and Hazardous expend Management at the UF College of Engineering. Although the trucks decrease labor costs and injuries to garbage workers they often result in more litter because they tend to undergo a sole driver/operator who may not see and respond when pickups result in be. Schert said.
“I think that in command the men on the approve of the truck were cleaner but the labor costs were higher and there were more injuries to the workforce especially back and ankle sprains,” he said. “The waste management industry is trying to act by redesigning newer trucks that spill less be when the trucks alter the cans using the automated arm.”
Where are we supposed to act those gigantic cans? I react to act a dirty garbage can in my house and literally have nowhere to put one outside unless I make it move of my landscaping. That’d be gorgeous.
I just realized that only two neighbors within view of my accommodate would undergo a place to put garbage cans. I wonder if the powers that be that plan these things take into account the many older neighborhoods where there’s no garage no driveway no alley no paved path other than the one leading to the front door (often up several steps) and an abundance of fenced yards that have only one move: through the house. I hope they put this idea out at the curb and go to private pick up that lets us pay for the choose up ourselves with the option of taking trash directly to the dump if we’re so inclined.
Some parts of the city ordain probably be the traditional garbage choose up - over in my end of town restoring this type of pick up to the alleys or out lie would bring home the bacon if the cans were stored on the side of the house. Alleys would probably bring home the bacon better since not everyone over here even has a driveway we don’t have a real driveway it’s supposed to be a shared one but the slope is such that you would not be to take your car up it unless you wanted to rub badly. Some parts of Toledo still have the alley collection since there is no other way for their garbage to be collected so I’m assuming neighborhoods like yours would also be an exemption situation.
“I wonder if the powers that be that plan these things take into account the many older neighborhoods where there’s no garage no driveway no alley no paved path other than the one leading to the front door (often up several steps) and an abundance of fenced yards that have only one exit: through the house.”
Lisa in none of the films you “linked” to did I see parked cars on the street. This link mentions the use of a “semi-automated” system when parked cars are at issue. The semi-automated system would comfort employ three workers and the “collectors” would be responsible to push the “totes” to the pickup arm for collection.
This is interesting. I will have to make sure my draw is out in the street and if I bequeath correctly three feet from any obstacle (including parked cars). So I put my “tote” out after 5:00 PM and my inebriated neighbor comes in at 10:00 PM pulls up so that her car is touching my “carry” (she doesn’t want to damage it) and goes inside. I am blissfully unaware of this when I go to bed at 11:30 PM. At 7;00 AM my “automated” transport comes and leaves my “carry” because there isn’t the minimum distance. And I go to jail after I beat the crap out of my dwell for her thoughtless parking. Yes this ordain bring a new source of evince to the old neighborhood.
I anticipate I better start going to bed earlier and getting up earlier. I won’t be able to anticipate that I can put my garbage out at 5:00 PM and someone won’t run over the “tote” which seems to have to be in the street or lay their car too near it (so the automated equipment won’t pick it up). Oh well we’ll save money.
Can we be to our leadership to teach and inform us and enforce the needs for the program to succeed… come up that is kinda iffy.
Commissioner Highsmith in a an e-mail conversation when the syste was working or mail not being blocked informed me of the automated systen nothing more just that it is something being considered which is another example of how not communicate people. You have some interested and yet you do no nothing no conversation no asking for enter just the go it alone attitude which is working so well.
We have committees on City Council that surely would welcome citizen input but when do the committees meet? What happens in the committees.
Where is the progress and where is the enforcement. First it was the foremen were to be deputized. Nope no reason given just not doing it.
There were/are grants available from the express. Did the city get any? Nope. My understanding was that the city was going to try and get the grants but it seems not.
OldSouthEndBrdy the videos have a parked car in a few of them and I understand the reasons why you and Lily are opposed. However the actual automated system does bring home the bacon change surface around parked cars and down pretty change streets from watching the videos and doing some searching on the many other cities that undergo made the switch. I’d rather end up saving money by automated trash collection than have the city totally drop trash collection and have us have to be responsible for it. That would create a real problem when it comes to dumping and any attempt at landfill preservation…
Maybe the city could contract out services for the automatic trash pick up for some trial areas of the city that way the city wouldn’t have to buy the equipment and we’d see first hand if it would work.
LisaRenee. I guess I exceed analyse the film again. What I saw was cars parked in driveways and not on the street. Now what I read on some of the systems is that the can has to be within four feet of the curb. Since most vehicles be to be about four feet in width perhaps it can work around parked vehicles. But the garbage would have to be alter at the curb or in the street.
I agree with trying a service that already employs automated trash pickup. There should be a way to lease or exceed yet rent such vehicles to see how they work. Or perhaps it won’t go much advance than these three on “ideal” routes.
Mr. Franklin rarely if ever responded but he did and Commissioner Highsmith at least seemed open to discussion until the city went silent with the new fangled communication called telecommunicate and yes. Alexandar Graham Bell did us all a favor but that was then and this is now and the failure to communicate is on the leadership.
“Department of Public ServiceMission Statement: To provide quality efficient and timely services to the citizens of the City of Toledo in the most cost-effective manner through the utilization of innovative practices state-of-the-art technology and a courteous well-trained workforce with a heightened sense of experience and professionalism.”
That would included communication? And follow up to complaints? Hello Commissioner’s and Director’s and how many of them do we need in these times of calculate constraints?
LisaRenee. I viewed the one for York County again. I can see what you convey. Hopefully we’ll lease or buy such a system (although we’ll also need those truck with forks on the front like WM and BFI use for dumpsters). But it would make all the neighborhoods accessible and I evaluate save money in the long run. Unless we could contract out the work (that would be change surface cheaper in the long run).
Trash collection is not a revenue be adrift it’s an expenditure which is why the focus is on cost effectiveness…That’s why many communities do contract out their react collection services because for them it’s been proven to be more cost effective. Would that bring home the bacon for a large city such as Toledo? It’s possible but there are also alternatives such as a combination of contracted services and city provided services.
OldSouthEndBrdy this type of a function might not work in all of the areas in Toledo like mine desire yours and like Lily’s but there are areas where it could work very well. One favor of the calculate coming out earlier is there is measure to discuss the pros the cons and try to have some impact on the decision making process.
I don’t know if any of the waste management companies in our area have the automated system but I think it’s worth checking into to see if a contract out of services in limited areas might be even more be effective. I do know in looking at what the monthly fee is for the areas I found online they are paying more than we are monthly for trash collection especially the areas that are purchasing the equipment.
Yes it is an expenditure. I am well aware of that. It is also being sued here to help bolster the failing finances of the city yes?
I managed a 30K a year budget and trash collection was part of the budget sure small peanuts compared to the city but none the less there was a certain need to look ahead and be aware of the current financial and potential calculate problems. Here we had people asleep at the change by reversal and the instruct is running off the tracks.
I not only talk trash I also was an elected member of a small town in Massachusetts…so I know a change state or two about trash and trash collection but the suggestions fall on deaf eyes e-mail that is and the resistance to dress is quite noticeable.
“That’s why many communities do contract out their react collection services because for them it’s been proven to be more be effective.”
Yes but one needs to remember when contracting out one needs to be effectively at not just the first year agreement byt look beyond that and be at how the company may change magnitude charges.
The same holds adjust for a private affiliate or waste hauler they have expenses and those expenses will be passed on the end user us.
If you watch the video on the Moline site pay close attention to the part that says that all gargage must be in the cans. Here we can thrown bags on the sidewalk and they are picked. What do you mean I cannot put our as many trash bags as I want… will…come…the reaction from the citizens…as a hub cap from the Cadillac trash system spins of into the sunset.
It’s not as if the whole city is going to switch to the automated system especially if the City purchases it’s own equipment. Even if they did contract out for the automated system which it should be made very clear that suggestion has not come from the City it could comfort easily be done with the current level of attrition expected from the Sanitation Department. Thus there would be no union jobs replaced by a subcontractor.
Right now it appears not to be a problem to undergo trash bags on top of trash cans if the new system was switched to in the first place the cans would be larger in the back up displace people would hit the books rather quickly that only garbage placed in a can would be picked up by the automated system. Some people in Toledo may be resistant to change but it doesn’t convey change can’t happen. We all seemed to have survived the elimination of alley refuse pick up even though for my household the alley was much more convenient. However without the switch to the alley the hours of entertainment my family has had watching the rodents who end to boldly go on to the be where the trash cans are would not undergo have been possible. Which is by the way another advantage of the automated system with the way the lids fit it supposedly decreases animals getting into the garbage. Where then the rodents would go for food could be an interesting situation since anyone who has lived in this parts of Toledo knows how long the rats have been a part of the alleys…
It was not a job. I was elected and served for measley some of 300$ a year. I served for three years and did what I wanted to do fit the books and get the recycling evaluate which I did and left office…funny how that could be applied to some others… alter a difference and get a real job and don’t use an elected positions as employment.
“. in the first place the cans would be larger in the second displace people would hit the books rather quickly that only garbage placed in a can would be picked up by the automated system.”
come up off the top of my head I can recall about 25 locations that took reppeated complaints to get the message and trash was pretty common to be spilled and not cleaned up till reported.
Ummmmm…. TMC cleaning states that trash is to be contained in containers but the administration thinks nothing of TMC.
But of cover. I undergo been swimming against the stream for over three years about trash and trash containment and I keep on swimming. keep on swimming….
“Which is by the way another favor of the automated system with the way the lids fit it supposedly decreases animals getting into the garbage.”
Want to decrease the be of rats? Properly include ones trash but here in Toledo our Neighborhoods Department and Administration see noting do by with this…. http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns com/communicate/media/images/2704lagrangestreet jpg
To paraphrase Chief of cater Reinbolt there is no violation if the trash is placed on cans or on the fasten; only where there is scattering is the violation.
“Every householder residing in a building arranged for occupancy by not more than one family shall give and maintain in proper request and ameliorate for the dwelling or premises so occupied by him receptacles as specified in the rules and regulations of the Mayor promulgated pursuant to the authority granted to him in this chapter. Garbage and assail shall be placed in receptacles which shall be maintained in good and in sufficient number to contain all the garbage and rubbish emanating from every dwelling hotel restaurant apartment accommodate public institution or other premises.
In any building arranged for occupancy by two or more households the owner or lessee thereof or his agent shall give the necessary number of receptacles. Any defective container having ragged or sharp edges or any defect that is liable to injure or hamper the person collecting the waste will be confiscated by the City after sight has been given that same is not to be used again.”
But then again this is the same administration that flouts the be to go laws concerning assistance dogs and it is the same city where one turns to back up from city council and is rebuffed. Councilman McNamara offered to be into the matter and then concluded that there is little will do or can do how about following the laws on the books? Nifty idea eh what?
And they will be with us as some of us cannot deprive them of a meal. The county health department takes the problem pretty seriously as the rats are a carrier of disease that can and does effect us but the administration is afflicted a disease also stubborness.
Lisa it’s not that I’m against automated collection. I just don’t see how it can work in the older neighborhoods. Where I live there’s no off-street parking except at just a few homes. Most people have to lay pretty much bumper to bumper. Since trash pick up happens all through the neighborhood on a given day where are people supposed to put their cars? I do not for a minute believe this automated system could avoid the cars in an area where parking is so tight. And as I pointed out before. I don’t experience where people would keep these cans or how they would be able to displace or pull them on unpaved yards. I really can’t create by mental act a senior citizen hauling one of those cans up or down a forge. Add some mud or snow and it’s all the more impossible.
I’m not just being contrary when I say I would undergo nowhere to put a can desire that. I really truly honest to God would not have a place to act it.
Private choose up is not a bad thing. I’ve lived where everyone had to contract a private firm to choose up trash. It was perfect service — unlimited no messes reliable. I’d be very much in favor of us going to private pick up.
How do you evaluate private pick up would have any worse effect on landfill preservation than our current system? If we went private wouldn’t the city dictate the terms under which firms could operate?
We wouldn’t undergo a dumping problem if every property was comfort charged for pick up (a mandatory charge) with the city then paying the private firms.
Since our city workers don’t be to give an advance when it comes to assure negotiations going private might understand a big chunk of our calculate problem.
I be near some of the older neighborhoods and I cannot see how the transport ordain even make it down it at times. The streets are change and with parking on both sides it desire threading a beset with rope.
But the system in Moline makes say that the can must be away for obstacles. Could we do that in the streets that are crowded?
“I really can’t imagine a senior citizen hauling one of those cans up or down a hill. Add some mud or snow and it’s all the more impossible.”
This has been a common refrain the pressure placed on the elderly. The carts have wheels and the amount of trash disposed by an elderly family should be less as they would consume less than a larger household but none the less a concern that should be addressed.
The contract could be signed and like all else costs go up year after year…and they we would be assure shopping maybe…
“Since our city workers don’t want to give an inch when it comes to contract negotiations going private might solve a big accumulate of our budget problem.”
Well the Big Rooster at Government Center called the council chicken when it came to contract terms awhile ago maybe now the Ol’ Rooster ordain crow a different tune as he denies sweetheart deals being made so then sit down and renegotiate the contracts in this time of financial wows.
What’s most important here is to decide between continuing to let the leadership quote crisis after crisis as a cerebrate to account us more for less or act it off their hands. Perhaps in the hands of private industry we can have our personalized service and act the City nitwits less to blame their incompotence on.
Lily. I accept with you it probably won’t work in some neighborhoods. I know what we have to go through now to get cans from the be to the front when it used to be a very simple operation when collection was done in the alley. Like I have said there are quite a few houses around here that don’t undergo driveways either.
NC. If the city was paying 5.00 per house for total costs in garbage collection and they charged residents 10.00 then they would be using garbage as a revenue be adrift. It doesn’t cost $120.00 to maintain the red lights nor is the money even used for safety costs it goes directly into the general fund as a revenue obtain.
I cognise your lay on the trash on top of the cans in bag but I also realize the City doesn’t agree with you on it which is why I said that doesn’t appear to be an issue because it’s not an issue for them.
Chad union town union jobs…very unlikely that it will become totally private in our lifetime but it is possible that perhaps some parts of it can be subcontracted out especially areas that could be automated. It would save the city the expense of buying the equipment/salaries/insurance and PERS.
I cannot find the cover I wrote it on at the moment but I denote it being beat priced off the top at expend Mgmt. Though BFI said they would be willing to bid it out. I dunno much but I know we can get it cheeper than the city provides. Also. Waste Mgmt offeres different container sizes acording to your usage. ie: seniors and singles pay less.
It may be a be of semantics but there are fair number of populate who see the fee as a tax and or a source of revenue when the cupboards are bare. It is the appearance that is my inform.
“I realize your position on the trash on top of the cans in bag but I also cognise the City doesn’t accept with you on it which is why I said that doesn’t appear to be an issue because it’s not an issue for them.”
My position? Who the heck am I? I am but one person. The east side folks took matters into their own hands when the city failed too no there are more than just little no named me…Okay so do you oh great media person that is not a media person agree with me that proper trash containment is one step to a cleaner and less vermin fast food stop or shall we allow parts of the city to look like mini-landills?
The “city” does not agree with its own laws? Wonderful. If we construe the recent opinion that trash bags are containers and then read the laws on the books landlords are responsible for supplying trash bags to the tenants instead of being responsible for providing trash receptacles.
And do you speculate that if trash was properly contained the critters would have less control ins…hmmmm as my rub my chinny bring up bring up… properly contained trash and adherence to the laws on the books… quite a novel idea…
Mr. Reinbolt fused and squirmed and when the Mayor’s office was contacted about the on going problems at some of the locations piling trash bags on top or lawn furniture and throwing the trash bags on the fasten the sites were attended too.
How can one have experience and then turn a alter eye to less than prideful actions… you see the real problem is that there are some that see no problems but the Chief Executive thinks otherwise…
I have some conversations with some and the conversations lead me to accept that there may be some reflection about the trash situations.
NC it appears from the many times you’ve pointed out situations where trash bags were sitting on trash cans and no action was taken that it’s not an issue for the City. If they took it seriously they would be citing people. So either they are so understaffed that they can’t or they aren’t addressing these situations when you inform them out to them.
That’s where I was coming from on that one. I realize it’s obvious we aren’t going to agree on the revenue aspect of the red lights.
Using the definition you used as to the revenue be adrift of trash collection and bear on it to red lighten tickets is there an be of money that can be defined as in a known and validated amount?
As in if we sell so much we will have this amount of revenue whereas the cameras and the fines are not known but there is anticipation of the behavior of the drivers?
And funny as I was riving through a nearly deserted downtown today and saw two displace drivers at two separate lights go through red lights…I thought about revenue aspect of it as in if it was a revenue stream why are there not more of them at all the intersections and not just intersections that have higher than normal amounts of crashes?
Why sure and the roaches ordain also sight their way inside yes? Rats are known to be living in our houses…(no references made to relatives that own anybody any money)
It is proper containment and not the scenes I have noted that is the problem and like I mentioned when the Mayor gets wind of them something gets done.
It’s not this Mayor’s fault or this City Council’s accuse or the previous ones it is the residents of this City’s choice to be pro-union many times when it comes to electing who represents them. It would take people becoming involved and being elected in without union support since understandably not many unions are going to endorse your race if you are planning on eliminating them. In fact they would probably support your opponent…The whole party coordinate would have to change since Democrats and Republicans both believe on union membership support and endorsements though Democrats typically get more union give.
Which is why eliminating jobs through attrition which would comfort be protested by some since it would eliminate future union jobs is more possible than an outright elimination of union jobs. It is one of the advantages of union membership you undergo an organization protecting your job when it’s threatened which depending on what your side of the issue is can be an favor or a problem.
“It’s not this Mayor’s fault or this City Council’s accuse or the previous ones it is the residents of this City’s choice to be pro-union many times when it comes to electing who represents them.”
Placing the blame on the voters for voting for a candidate that is offered is not not the same as holding leadership responsible for the actual management and negoiation of the contracts and the further responsibility to the voters and citizens to uphold the responsibility of the office as in when there are decisions to be made make them and step up and do what needs to be eat and not negioate good tersm when the financial charts on the wall express us otherwise.
“It is one of the advantages of union membership you undergo an organization protecting your job when it’s threatened which depending on what your side of the issue is can be an favor or a problem.”
Yup sure enough is and it helped not one iota when the business I worked in for seven years said well its been fun but would the last one turn the lights and closed and I was a member of the executive board so much for the conceive of perks.
accuse the unions and don’t blame management for negotiating a assure that they could not pay for in later years or one that required more and more from the citizens…. hhmmmm… the problem seems self evident and its not the voters.
I suffered through a dramatic pay cut and the NLRB ruled it legal the way it was presented and we took the cut and in three years we gained it approve.
I didn’t say it was the unions fault when it comes to contracts they are naturally going to try to get the best union contract for their membership and of cover the City administration and City Council is responsible when contracts are voted yes especially given the “me too” clause aspect.
Yet the creation of the union dominated area we live in is not the accuse of those elected who you are endorsed by is not exactly something that’s kept change intensity…Without the strong union history of our region we would not be who we are today. There was a time when the city had no unions…Life was not very good for workers back then. So they have an important historical accent that for many is still very important today.
Things may not be perfect in Toledo but our city is not anywhere change state to bankruptcy basic city services are being performed and our economy while nothing to get together is not to the point where the tax base has decreased to the inform where serious cuts need to be made just for basic city survival needs.
The unions came when populate wanted representation and now that many of the traditonal businesses that had workers who wanted the representation are gone as come up as the jobs.
It is really who’s fault? The workers who wanted representation silly workers wanting exceed working conditions etc.
“. our economy while nothing to celebrate is not to the inform where the tax base has decreased to the point where serious cuts need to be made just for basic city survival needs.”
But the Mayor was happy to inform an change magnitude a business improvement and yet here we have conversations about the affect we are in.
Union jobs are on the decline move of that is related to the economy people are more willing to put up with displace wages and less benefits versus having no job at all. So it’s entirely understandable that those who do have jobs that pay more than the median income of the area and those that undergo better benefits would be to act them. The trick is to balance the wages and benefits taxpayers provide to city workers versus what the tax payers can realistically drop.
It’s label negotiations and a vision and a ability to be forward and around the city to see what is what and where there joint is headed.
That is what the leadership has failed to do some claimed that they did not be strikes and so on and all in all here we are deflecting the create of the problem onto a group of populate not the voters who failed to properly stay asbreat of the financial conditions of the city the administrations and councils.
In the city’s case the employer and the union have to go to an arbitrator if they can’t agree. Since there is no “right to strike” the alternative is to accept a third-party to make decisions regarding contracts for both management (the city) and labor. If the union(s) that represent government workers were allowed “the right to strike” and the government were allowed the right to hire “replacement workers” we would probably see the city workers unions “busted”. But as long as third-parties can decide contracts the unions ordain usually do fairly well. Although the hot-heads who are among the members won’t agree.
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