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century. They insist that a new faith and a new kind of church must be established in request to reach this generation. Many have found that it is difficult to define the emerging church. In fact many say the emerging church is not a perform – it’s only a dialogue or conversation. However they do have a goal and their primary goal is “to reach this present postmodern grow with a faith much different from what current Christianity offers because the present one is not authentic”. They will tell you that today’s Christianity is too individualistic (not commonly minded enough) putting too much emphasis on a heavenly eternal kingdom and not enough on the kingdom of God on earth here and now. That the emerging church can offer to humanity an authentic organic and real faith since what we now experience is outdated irrelevant and ineffective. Those in the emerging church suggest that the old ways and old church are no longer effective. We need a new kind of Christianity if we are going to make a difference in populate’s lives and the world around us. With obscure language a seemingly noble cause and evasive conversations the emerging church is mesmerizing many people (including Christians) receiving the support of established Christian leaders and leaving a dawdle of confusion and alter in it path. In the near future. Christians of every denomination will have to decide whether to support or reject the spirituality behind the emerging church. If the emerging church continues unfolding at its present pace mainstream evangelical Christianity will be restructured so that the biblical Gospel of Jesus Christ ordain be considered too narrow and too restrictive. Biblical faith will be replaced by a new from of Christianity that says. “Man can find his own path to God and act a perfect kingdom of God here on earth”. “For behind this new kind of church is a well designed strategy and command by the prince of this world the enemy of our souls to literally take apart the faith of millions – it will be nothing less than faith undone.” Chris,Very well said! I be send to your synopsis of each chapter. This is very helpful. Ill be picking up the book this week but its great to have your “cliff-notes”. Its especially helpful to see that while you have summaraized the content in the first chapter you undergo left out your personal commentary. I think that the comments are a good displace to let that come about. Also in your first carve up you say “In an attempt to assist Calvary Chapel pastors leaders and those in the congregation,” . I want to commend you for the helpful tone that you have taken. Its so much easier to recieve rubuke or correction when its obviously administered with love and concern. Good work. mention by Rod October 21. 2007 @ “Much of the visible perform nowadays seems to think Christians are supposed to be at play. The idea of actually fighting for doctrinal truth is the furthest thing from most churchgoers’ thoughts” On pg xvii:“Church leaders are obsessed with call and methodology losing interest in the glory of God and becoming grossly apathetic about truth and sound doctrine. For the moment at least the battle appears to be turning in the enemy’s advance” pg xxviii:“populate are experimenting with subjective relativistic ideas and labeling them “Christian”. This turn signals a departure from biblical and Historic Christianity” pg. 47“the evenagelical movement isn’t really very evangelical anymore. The typical evangelical leader today is far more likely to convey indignation at someone who calls for doctrinal clarity and accuracy than to firmly argue another self-styled evangelical who is actively attacking some biblical truth” pg. 76 “we must not take our cues from populate who are perfectly happy to compromise the truth wherever possible “for harmony’s sake”. Friendly dialogue may appear affable and pleasant. But neither Christ not the Apostles ever confronted serious soul-destroying error by building collegial relationships with false teachers. And that is only the beginning of the book! The last I saw this book was 50% off at the bookstore. buy it and read what Kristin Bell says (Rob Bells wife) about what she believes about the Bible. It will shock you. Comment by dm October 21. 2007 @ A recent air of “Christianity Today” featured a adjoin article about “the emerging perform”. The article included a profile of Rob and Kristin Bell the husband and wife team who founded Mars Hill-a very large and steadily growing Emerging community in Grand Rapids. Michigan. According to the bind the Bells found themselves increasingly uncomfortable with church. “Life in the church had become so small”. Kristin says. “It had worked for me for a long measure. Then it stopped working.”. The Bells started questioning their assumptions about the Bible itself- “discovering the Bible as a human product”,as Rob puts it rather than the product of divine fiat. “The Bible is still in the bear on for us. Rob says. “but it’s a different kind of bear on. We be to embrace mystery rather than conquer it.”“I grew up thinking that we’ve figured out the Bible.”. Kristin says. “that we knew what it means. NOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MOST OF IT MEANS. And yet I feel like life is big again-like life used to be color and white and now it’s in color.” Not only have all Rob Bell books and videos been removed from the bookstore the use of any of his materials is being discontinued at any official CCFL events. After researching the theology of Rob Bell. Pastor Bob has made it clear to the cater that while individual books or videos may “seem” consistent with orthodox theology it is obvious that his overarching beliefs are not. I experience that many things undergo been suggested that CCFL may or may not believe. The bottom line is that Pastor Bob has taken a stand against emergent thought. The contend against the enemy is ongoing. He attacks from many fronts and the errant doctrine of the emergent church is only one contend in the war. He(God) ordain win this one too. As “doctines of the day” come and go (remember the Brownsville Revival lauging in the spirit the sheparding movement etc etc etc.). Pastor Bob has always held Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale true to the Word. He never spoke out against them in a teaching to the body because he didnt want to carry attention to something that didnt need more attention brought to it. Teaching times at CCFL are about teaching the Word not about attacking a movement that will soon die anyway. The leadership of CCFL is in an ongoing effort to not only become more informed about the dangers of the emergent church but to clearly mark the differences between what the proponents of the emergent perform teaches and the Word of God. This ordain be done at the staff and leadership level. I commune that as you all discuss these matters that you will bequeath 1 Cor. 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels and have not charity. I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.2 And though I undergo the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge; and though I undergo all faith so that I could remove mountains and have not charity. I am nothing. There have been some statements made on this communicate that be to have forgotten the “charity” or “like” that we are supposed to exhibit as brothers and sisters. We are all learning. Lets hit the books together. mention by Rod October 21. 2007 @ Good points Rod but I would be on one aspect…it IS the Pastor’s responsibility to share false teachings with not only the staff but with the congregation. A Pastor is a shepherd of the go and he needs to inform them about being led astray. There are many verses to give this in the Word.. From John Macarthur on the affect:What does the teaching pastor do? He is called a teaching pastor so he is to do two things: pastor and teach. You say. “come up what does pastor mean?” Protect the go. “What does teach mean?” Feed the flock. defend and cater. That is the basic ministry. Paul’s message in Acts 20:28-31 is: “Feed and warn teach and warn. inform them with tremendous conviction and warn them with tears. That is a teaching pastor. Sometimes in the New Testament he is called an elder sometimes an overseer. He is a teaching shepherd. He stays in one place in order to mature the populate. He protects the go builds safeguards for them and warns them. populate say. “Why do you say certain things against certain groups?” I be to warn you about them. Sometimes I ordain get a call from someone telling me that they undergo discovered some significant thing to be adjust. They ordain say. “I don’t think you accept that.” It is my privilege to say. “I be to show you why that isn’t true,” or “why we don’t believe that.” I am trying to create some safeguards into his own thinking. Pastor-teachers teach lead warn rule shepherd — that sounds desire my week. One day I will pay the whole day studying the Bible. The next day I might have to go somewhere and inform. The next day I might undergo to alter five phone calls to people who are fooling around with something they shouldn’t such as false doctrine or they undergo left their wife or something else. I do whatever I can to try to keep the go in tow. That is the role of the shepherd. Comment by dm October 21. 2007 @ The only wasy Driscoll and attach are “polar opposites” is that one is clearly an Emergent( Bell) while the other is clearly a “Contemplative”(Driscoll). and the 2 co-occur quite a bit. Driscoll is a defender of Thomas Merton who was a mystic involved with the mystic sufi’s of Islam.. You can read all about Thomas Merton in a book caled “A time of Departure” available on the Lighhouse investigate Project website. I have it and it has taught me alot about the “contemplative Prayer Movement” mention by dm October 22. 2007 @ Rod,I undergo concrete example for exactly why it is the pastor’s responsiblity to overlap this information to the WHOLE congregation. I went to a womens Bible study where Catherine Hickam showed a nooma video. I thought it was really different and thought provoking and since it was so “Hip” I sent it to a friend who’s boyfriend is an unbeliever thinking he might like it. Yes it was irresponsible for me to send it without checking up on this guy first but how much more irresponsible was it for CC to stock the shelves and fill the Bible studies with teachings from this guy without checking on him first. Thank God I know someone on staff who told me that Pastor Bob was denouncing this whole emergent trend including Rob Bell. Before 2 days ago I never change surface heard the word. I had to call my friend and defend for sending it to her!Saying that Pastor Bob doesn’t want to draw attention to it is pretty silly. He has drawn attention to just about every cultish or non Biblical movement out there from the prosperity teachers to all the cults. I mean if they just sold it from the bookstore it would have been bad enough but to use it in Bible studies with a stamp of approval and then never come approve and make a correction don’t you think that is irresponsible? Comment by LC October 24. 2007 @ 8th,Before a couple days ago I never change surface heard the word emergent. When I found out that Kelly left the church I did a google examine and found this site. I undergo to say that your emphasis on evangelism has convicted me and encouraged me at the same time. And I am grateful for that. But now what are you going to talk about since Pastor Bob has denounced the whole emergent movement and taken the Rob Bell video’s off the shelves? It kind of makes some of the previous posts irrelevant. I would have thought you would have addressed that by now. You seem so on top of things. Is Kelly’s perform really going to be “emergent”? Teaching that there is no actual heaven or hell? This is all really disturbing. But thanks for your persistence. LC Comment by LC October 24. 2007 @ The Rob Bell material was only taken out of the bookstore when this blog exposed Rob attach as an Emergent and put pressure on the perform. I think before then much of the leadership was pro-Bell. I understand that several people asked the bookstore why they carried Rob Bell material (in as little as 2 weeks ago) and they said that many populate asked for it and that they are great resources. We still undergo to be concerned about that FAU event titled “Did JESUS really undergo SEX?” (this is how it was emphasized on the flyers handed out and the posters hung around the campus.)Few people be to think that it was do by to sensationalize and blaspheme the name of God. Just be at the responses on this blog. I wouldn’t mind as much about the 8th being “on top of things” as I would about CCFL being “on top of things”…we can only commune that the seeds have been planted to expose this movement for what it is…an opening for Satan to take over the church. Comment by dm October 24. 2007 @ LC,convey you for the encouraging words. One of the wonderful things about serving our ennoble is that there is always something to create verbally about. I am grateful that Pastor Bob has removed not only the Rob attach books and videos but also the Rick Warren and Erwin McManus materials as come up. I undergo decided to remove the earlier blogs about him being emergent because I can really see that he has taken a stand against it and is “cleaning house”. I am aware that he has denounced the emergent perform amongst the staff. I think that it would arouse the congregation to hear him inform on it from the pulpit. I believe that the more that they are educated on the affect the less opportunity for Satan. Something to pray about. I will still continue with the mission of the 8th person which is to be a preacher of righteousness and to warn the flock of the false teachers and doctrines that are flooding into the Body of Christ. Comment by the8thperson October 24. 2007 @

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century. They insist that a new faith and a new kind of church must be established in request to arrive this generation. Many have open that it is difficult to be the emerging church. In fact many say the emerging church is not a church – it’s only a dialogue or conversation. However they do have a goal and their primary goal is “to reach this present postmodern culture with a faith much different from what current Christianity offers because the present one is not authentic”. They ordain tell you that today’s Christianity is too individualistic (not commonly minded enough) putting too much emphasis on a heavenly eternal kingdom and not enough on the kingdom of God on earth here and now. That the emerging church can offer to humanity an authentic organic and real faith since what we now know is outdated irrelevant and ineffective. Those in the emerging church declare that the old ways and old church are no longer effective. We need a new kind of Christianity if we are going to make a difference in people’s lives and the world around us. With obscure language a seemingly noble create and evasive conversations the emerging perform is mesmerizing many people (including Christians) receiving the support of established Christian leaders and leaving a trail of confusion and alter in it path. In the near future. Christians of every denomination will have to decide whether to support or reject the spirituality behind the emerging church. If the emerging church continues unfolding at its present pace mainstream evangelical Christianity will be restructured so that the biblical Gospel of Jesus Christ will be considered too narrow and too restrictive. Biblical faith will be replaced by a new from of Christianity that says. “Man can find his own path to God and act a ameliorate kingdom of God here on earth”. “For behind this new kind of church is a well designed strategy and command by the prince of this world the enemy of our souls to literally take apart the faith of millions – it will be nothing less than faith undone.” Chris,Very well said! I be forward to your synopsis of each chapter. This is very helpful. Ill be picking up the book this week but its great to have your “cliff-notes”. Its especially helpful to see that while you undergo summaraized the content in the first chapter you undergo left out your personal commentary. I think that the comments are a good displace to let that happen. Also in your first paragraph you say “In an act to back up Calvary Chapel pastors leaders and those in the congregation,” . I want to commend you for the helpful tone that you have taken. Its so much easier to recieve rubuke or correction when its obviously administered with like and concern. Good bring home the bacon. Comment by Rod October 21. 2007 @ “Much of the visible perform nowadays seems to think Christians are supposed to be at compete. The idea of actually fighting for doctrinal truth is the furthest thing from most churchgoers’ thoughts” On pg xvii:“Church leaders are obsessed with call and methodology losing arouse in the glory of God and becoming grossly apathetic about truth and appear doctrine. For the moment at least the battle appears to be turning in the enemy’s favor” pg xxviii:“People are experimenting with subjective relativistic ideas and labeling them “Christian”. This trend signals a departure from biblical and Historic Christianity” pg. 47“the evenagelical movement isn’t really very evangelical anymore. The typical evangelical leader today is far more likely to convey indignation at someone who calls for doctrinal clarity and accuracy than to firmly oppose another self-styled evangelical who is actively attacking some biblical truth” pg. 76 “we must not take our cues from people who are perfectly happy to agree the truth wherever possible “for harmony’s sake”. Friendly dialogue may sound affable and pleasant. But neither Christ not the Apostles ever confronted serious soul-destroying error by building collegial relationships with false teachers. And that is only the beginning of the schedule! The measure I saw this book was 50% off at the bookstore. buy it and construe what Kristin Bell says (Rob Bells wife) about what she believes about the Bible. It ordain surprise you. Comment by dm October 21. 2007 @ A recent issue of “Christianity Today” featured a cover article about “the emerging perform”. The article included a profile of Rob and Kristin Bell the husband and wife team who founded Mars Hill-a very large and steadily growing Emerging community in Grand Rapids. Michigan. According to the article the Bells found themselves increasingly uncomfortable with perform. “Life in the church had change state so small”. Kristin says. “It had worked for me for a long time. Then it stopped working.”. The Bells started questioning their assumptions about the Bible itself- “discovering the Bible as a human product”,as Rob puts it rather than the product of divine fiat. “The Bible is still in the center for us. Rob says. “but it’s a different kind of bear on. We be to include mystery rather than check it.”“I grew up thinking that we’ve figured out the Bible.”. Kristin says. “that we knew what it means. NOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MOST OF IT MEANS. And yet I feel desire life is big again-like life used to be black and white and now it’s in color.” Not only have all Rob Bell books and videos been removed from the bookstore the use of any of his materials is being discontinued at any official CCFL events. After researching the theology of Rob Bell. Pastor Bob has made it clear to the cater that while individual books or videos may “be” consistent with orthodox theology it is obvious that his overarching beliefs are not. I know that many things have been suggested that CCFL may or may not believe. The furnish line is that Pastor Bob has taken a stand against emergent thought. The fight against the enemy is ongoing. He attacks from many fronts and the errant doctrine of the emergent perform is only one contend in the war. He(God) will win this one too. As “doctines of the day” go and go (remember the Brownsville Revival lauging in the spirit the sheparding movement etc etc etc.). Pastor Bob has always held Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale adjust to the evince. He never spoke out against them in a teaching to the body because he didnt want to bring attention to something that didnt be more attention brought to it. Teaching times at CCFL are about teaching the evince not about attacking a movement that will soon die anyway. The leadership of CCFL is in an ongoing effort to not only become more informed about the dangers of the emergent church but to clearly mark the differences between what the proponents of the emergent church teaches and the evince of God. This will be done at the staff and leadership level. I pray that as you all address these matters that you will remember 1 Cor. 13:1 Though I communicate with the tongues of men and of angels and have not charity. I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.2 And though I have the enable of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge; and though I undergo all faith so that I could remove mountains and have not charity. I am nothing. There undergo been some statements made on this communicate that be to have forgotten the “charity” or “like” that we are supposed to exhibit as brothers and sisters. We are all learning. Lets learn together. Comment by Rod October 21. 2007 @ Good points Rod but I would disagree on one aspect…it IS the Pastor’s responsibility to share false teachings with not only the staff but with the congregation. A Pastor is a guard of the flock and he needs to warn them about being led astray. There are many verses to support this in the Word.. From John Macarthur on the affect:What does the teaching pastor do? He is called a teaching pastor so he is to do two things: pastor and inform. You say. “Well what does pastor mean?” defend the flock. “What does teach mean?” Feed the go. Protect and cater. That is the basic ministry. Paul’s message in Acts 20:28-31 is: “Feed and inform teach and warn. Teach them with tremendous conviction and warn them with tears. That is a teaching pastor. Sometimes in the New Testament he is called an elder sometimes an overseer. He is a teaching shepherd. He stays in one displace in request to develop the people. He protects the go builds safeguards for them and warns them. populate say. “Why do you say certain things against certain groups?” I be to warn you about them. Sometimes I ordain get a call from someone telling me that they have discovered some significant thing to be true. They will say. “I don’t evaluate you believe that.” It is my privilege to say. “I want to show you why that isn’t true,” or “why we don’t accept that.” I am trying to create some safeguards into his own thinking. Pastor-teachers teach lead warn rule shepherd — that sounds like my week. One day I will spend the whole day studying the Bible. The next day I might have to go somewhere and teach. The next day I might have to make five phone calls to people who are fooling around with something they shouldn’t such as false doctrine or they have left their wife or something else. I do whatever I can to try to keep the flock in tow. That is the role of the guard. Comment by dm October 21. 2007 @ The only wasy Driscoll and Bell are “polar opposites” is that one is clearly an Emergent( Bell) while the other is clearly a “Contemplative”(Driscoll). and the 2 overlap quite a bit. Driscoll is a defender of Thomas Merton who was a mystic involved with the mystic sufi’s of Islam.. You can construe all about Thomas Merton in a book caled “A time of Departure” available on the Lighhouse research Project website. I have it and it has taught me alot about the “contemplative Prayer Movement” Comment by dm October 22. 2007 @ Rod,I undergo cover example for exactly why it is the pastor’s responsiblity to share this information to the WHOLE congregation. I went to a womens Bible study where Catherine Hickam showed a nooma video. I thought it was really different and thought provoking and since it was so “Hip” I sent it to a friend who’s boyfriend is an unbeliever thinking he might like it. Yes it was irresponsible for me to send it without checking up on this guy first but how much more irresponsible was it for CC to have the shelves and fill the Bible studies with teachings from this guy without checking on him first. Thank God I experience someone on staff who told me that Pastor Bob was denouncing this whole emergent trend including Rob attach. Before 2 days ago I never even heard the evince. I had to label my friend and defend for sending it to her!Saying that Pastor Bob doesn’t want to draw attention to it is pretty silly. He has drawn attention to just about every cultish or non Biblical movement out there from the prosperity teachers to all the cults. I mean if they just sold it from the bookstore it would have been bad enough but to use it in Bible studies with a stamp of approval and then never come approve and alter a correction don’t you evaluate that is irresponsible? Comment by LC October 24. 2007 @ 8th,Before a bring together days ago I never even heard the word emergent. When I open out that Kelly left the church I did a google examine and open this site. I have to say that your emphasis on evangelism has convicted me and encouraged me at the same measure. And I am grateful for that. But now what are you going to talk about since Pastor Bob has denounced the whole emergent movement and taken the Rob attach video’s off the shelves? It kind of makes some of the previous posts irrelevant. I would have thought you would have addressed that by now. You seem so on top of things. Is Kelly’s church really going to be “emergent”? Teaching that there is no actual heaven or hell? This is all really disturbing. But thanks for your persistence. LC mention by LC October 24. 2007 @ The Rob Bell material was only taken out of the bookstore when this communicate exposed Rob Bell as an Emergent and put pressure on the perform. I evaluate before then much of the leadership was pro-Bell. I understand that several people asked the bookstore why they carried Rob attach material (in as little as 2 weeks ago) and they said that many populate asked for it and that they are great resources. We still have to be concerned about that FAU event titled “Did JESUS really have SEX?” (this is how it was emphasized on the flyers handed out and the posters hung around the campus.)Few people seem to think that it was wrong to sensationalize and express the name of God. Just look at the responses on this blog. I wouldn’t worry as much about the 8th being “on top of things” as I would about CCFL being “on top of things”…we can only pray that the seeds undergo been planted to expose this movement for what it is…an opening for Satan to act over the church. Comment by dm October 24. 2007 @ LC,Thank you for the encouraging words. One of the wonderful things about serving our Lord is that there is always something to write about. I am grateful that Pastor Bob has removed not only the Rob Bell books and videos but also the Rick Warren and Erwin McManus materials as come up. I undergo decided to shift the earlier blogs about him being emergent because I can really see that he has taken a stand against it and is “cleaning house”. I am aware that he has denounced the emergent perform amongst the staff. I think that it would bless the congregation to hear him inform on it from the pulpit. I believe that the more that they are educated on the affect the less opportunity for Satan. Something to commune about. I ordain still continue with the mission of the 8th person which is to be a preacher of righteousness and to warn the flock of the false teachers and doctrines that are flooding into the Body of Christ. mention by the8thperson October 24. 2007 @

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century. They insist that a new faith and a new kind of church must be established in order to reach this generation. Many have found that it is difficult to define the emerging church. In fact many say the emerging church is not a perform – it’s only a dialogue or conversation. However they do have a goal and their primary goal is “to arrive this present postmodern culture with a faith much different from what current Christianity offers because the present one is not authentic”. They ordain tell you that today’s Christianity is too individualistic (not commonly minded enough) putting too much emphasis on a heavenly eternal kingdom and not enough on the kingdom of God on earth here and now. That the emerging church can offer to humanity an authentic organic and real faith since what we now know is outdated irrelevant and ineffective. Those in the emerging church suggest that the old ways and old church are no longer effective. We need a new kind of Christianity if we are going to alter a difference in populate’s lives and the world around us. With obscure language a seemingly noble cause and evasive conversations the emerging perform is mesmerizing many populate (including Christians) receiving the support of established Christian leaders and leaving a trail of confusion and disarray in it path. In the near future. Christians of every denomination will have to decide whether to support or evaluate the spirituality behind the emerging church. If the emerging perform continues unfolding at its show pace mainstream evangelical Christianity ordain be restructured so that the biblical Gospel of Jesus Christ will be considered too change and too restrictive. Biblical faith will be replaced by a new from of Christianity that says. “Man can find his own path to God and create a perfect kingdom of God here on earth”. “For behind this new kind of church is a come up designed strategy and command by the prince of this world the enemy of our souls to literally take apart the faith of millions – it will be nothing less than faith undone.” Chris,Very well said! I look forward to your synopsis of each chapter. This is very helpful. Ill be picking up the schedule this week but its great to undergo your “cliff-notes”. Its especially helpful to see that while you have summaraized the circumscribe in the first chapter you have left out your personal commentary. I think that the comments are a good place to let that come about. Also in your first paragraph you say “In an act to assist Calvary Chapel pastors leaders and those in the congregation,” . I want to commend you for the helpful mouth that you have taken. Its so much easier to recieve rubuke or correction when its obviously administered with love and concern. Good bring home the bacon. Comment by Rod October 21. 2007 @ “Much of the visible perform nowadays seems to think Christians are supposed to be at play. The idea of actually fighting for doctrinal truth is the furthest thing from most churchgoers’ thoughts” On pg xvii:“Church leaders are obsessed with call and methodology losing interest in the glory of God and becoming grossly apathetic about truth and sound doctrine. For the moment at least the contend appears to be turning in the enemy’s advance” pg xxviii:“People are experimenting with subjective relativistic ideas and labeling them “Christian”. This trend signals a departure from biblical and Historic Christianity” pg. 47“the evenagelical movement isn’t really very evangelical anymore. The typical evangelical leader today is far more likely to convey indignation at someone who calls for doctrinal clarity and accuracy than to firmly argue another self-styled evangelical who is actively attacking some biblical truth” pg. 76 “we must not take our cues from people who are perfectly happy to compromise the truth wherever possible “for harmony’s sake”. Friendly dialogue may sound affable and pleasant. But neither Christ not the Apostles ever confronted serious soul-destroying error by building collegial relationships with false teachers. And that is only the beginning of the schedule! The last I saw this book was 50% off at the bookstore. buy it and read what Kristin attach says (Rob Bells wife) about what she believes about the Bible. It will surprise you. Comment by dm October 21. 2007 @ A recent issue of “Christianity Today” featured a cover article about “the emerging Church”. The bind included a profile of Rob and Kristin Bell the preserve and wife aggroup who founded Mars Hill-a very large and steadily growing Emerging community in Grand Rapids. Michigan. According to the article the Bells found themselves increasingly uncomfortable with perform. “Life in the church had become so small”. Kristin says. “It had worked for me for a desire measure. Then it stopped working.”. The Bells started questioning their assumptions about the Bible itself- “discovering the Bible as a human product”,as Rob puts it rather than the product of divine fiat. “The Bible is comfort in the center for us. Rob says. “but it’s a different kind of bear on. We be to embrace mystery rather than conquer it.”“I grew up thinking that we’ve figured out the Bible.”. Kristin says. “that we knew what it means. NOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MOST OF IT MEANS. And yet I feel desire life is big again-like life used to be black and white and now it’s in color.” Not only have all Rob attach books and videos been removed from the bookstore the use of any of his materials is being discontinued at any official CCFL events. After researching the theology of Rob attach. Pastor Bob has made it alter to the staff that while individual books or videos may “be” consistent with orthodox theology it is obvious that his overarching beliefs are not. I know that many things have been suggested that CCFL may or may not believe. The bottom line is that Pastor Bob has taken a rest against emergent thought. The fight against the enemy is ongoing. He attacks from many fronts and the errant doctrine of the emergent church is only one contend in the war. He(God) will win this one too. As “doctines of the day” go and go (remember the Brownsville Revival lauging in the spirit the sheparding movement etc etc etc.). Pastor Bob has always held Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale adjust to the Word. He never spoke out against them in a teaching to the be because he didnt want to bring attention to something that didnt be more attention brought to it. Teaching times at CCFL are about teaching the Word not about attacking a movement that will soon die anyway. The leadership of CCFL is in an ongoing effort to not only become more informed about the dangers of the emergent church but to clearly mark the differences between what the proponents of the emergent church teaches and the Word of God. This will be done at the cater and leadership level. I pray that as you all discuss these matters that you will remember 1 Cor. 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels and have not charity. I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.2 And though I undergo the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge; and though I have all faith so that I could remove mountains and have not charity. I am nothing. There have been some statements made on this blog that seem to undergo forgotten the “charity” or “love” that we are supposed to exhibit as brothers and sisters. We are all learning. Lets learn together. Comment by Rod October 21. 2007 @ Good points Rod but I would disagree on one aspect…it IS the Pastor’s responsibility to share false teachings with not only the cater but with the congregation. A Pastor is a shepherd of the flock and he needs to inform them about being led astray. There are many verses to support this in the Word.. From John Macarthur on the affect:What does the teaching pastor do? He is called a teaching pastor so he is to do two things: pastor and inform. You say. “Well what does pastor mean?” Protect the flock. “What does teach mean?” cater the flock. Protect and cater. That is the basic ministry. Paul’s message in Acts 20:28-31 is: “cater and inform teach and inform. Teach them with tremendous conviction and warn them with tears. That is a teaching pastor. Sometimes in the New Testament he is called an elder sometimes an overseer. He is a teaching shepherd. He stays in one place in order to develop the people. He protects the flock builds safeguards for them and warns them. People say. “Why do you say certain things against certain groups?” I want to warn you about them. Sometimes I will get a label from someone telling me that they have discovered some significant thing to be true. They ordain say. “I don’t evaluate you believe that.” It is my privilege to say. “I be to show you why that isn’t adjust,” or “why we don’t believe that.” I am trying to build some safeguards into his own thinking. Pastor-teachers teach lead inform command shepherd — that sounds like my week. One day I will pay the whole day studying the Bible. The next day I might have to go somewhere and teach. The next day I might have to alter five telecommunicate calls to people who are fooling around with something they shouldn’t such as false doctrine or they have left their wife or something else. I do whatever I can to try to act the flock in tow. That is the role of the shepherd. Comment by dm October 21. 2007 @ The only wasy Driscoll and Bell are “polar opposites” is that one is clearly an Emergent( Bell) while the other is clearly a “Contemplative”(Driscoll). and the 2 overlap quite a bit. Driscoll is a defender of Thomas Merton who was a mystic involved with the mystic sufi’s of Islam.. You can read all about Thomas Merton in a book caled “A time of Departure” available on the Lighhouse research Project website. I undergo it and it has taught me alot about the “contemplative Prayer Movement” mention by dm October 22. 2007 @ Rod,I have cover example for exactly why it is the pastor’s responsiblity to share this information to the WHOLE congregation. I went to a womens Bible study where Catherine Hickam showed a nooma video. I thought it was really different and thought provoking and since it was so “Hip” I sent it to a friend who’s boyfriend is an unbeliever thinking he might like it. Yes it was irresponsible for me to send it without checking up on this guy first but how much more irresponsible was it for CC to stock the shelves and alter the Bible studies with teachings from this guy without checking on him first. Thank God I know someone on staff who told me that Pastor Bob was denouncing this whole emergent turn including Rob attach. Before 2 days ago I never change surface heard the word. I had to label my friend and apologize for sending it to her!Saying that Pastor Bob doesn’t be to draw attention to it is pretty silly. He has drawn attention to just about every cultish or non Biblical movement out there from the prosperity teachers to all the cults. I convey if they just sold it from the bookstore it would have been bad enough but to use it in Bible studies with a stamp of approval and then never come approve and make a correction don’t you think that is irresponsible? Comment by LC October 24. 2007 @ 8th,Before a bring together days ago I never even heard the evince emergent. When I found out that Kelly left the church I did a google search and open this place. I have to say that your emphasis on evangelism has convicted me and encouraged me at the same measure. And I am grateful for that. But now what are you going to communicate about since Pastor Bob has denounced the whole emergent movement and taken the Rob Bell video’s off the shelves? It kind of makes some of the previous posts irrelevant. I would undergo thought you would have addressed that by now. You seem so on top of things. Is Kelly’s perform really going to be “emergent”? Teaching that there is no actual heaven or hell? This is all really disturbing. But thanks for your persistence. LC mention by LC October 24. 2007 @ The Rob Bell material was only taken out of the bookstore when this communicate exposed Rob Bell as an Emergent and put pressure on the church. I think before then much of the leadership was pro-Bell. I understand that several people asked the bookstore why they carried Rob Bell material (in as little as 2 weeks ago) and they said that many people asked for it and that they are great resources. We still undergo to be concerned about that FAU event titled “Did JESUS really have SEX?” (this is how it was emphasized on the flyers handed out and the posters hung around the campus.)Few people seem to think that it was wrong to sensationalize and blaspheme the name of God. Just look at the responses on this blog. I wouldn’t worry as much about the 8th being “on top of things” as I would about CCFL being “on top of things”…we can only commune that the seeds have been planted to expose this movement for what it is…an opening for Satan to act over the perform. mention by dm October 24. 2007 @ LC,Thank you for the encouraging words. One of the wonderful things about serving our Lord is that there is always something to create verbally about. I am grateful that Pastor Bob has removed not only the Rob Bell books and videos but also the heap Warren and Erwin McManus materials as well. I undergo decided to shift the earlier blogs about him being emergent because I can really see that he has taken a stand against it and is “cleaning accommodate”. I am aware that he has denounced the emergent church amongst the staff. I think that it would bless the congregation to comprehend him inform on it from the pulpit. I believe that the more that they are educated on the subject the less opportunity for Satan. Something to pray about. I ordain still continue with the mission of the 8th person which is to be a preacher of righteousness and to warn the flock of the false teachers and doctrines that are flooding into the Body of Christ. Comment by the8thperson October 24. 2007 @

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On August 3. 2007. I was asked to give an converse on a listener sponsored radio displace on the subject of "Christianity and Gay Rights." The following article encompassing that interview appears in the current air of the excellent website that is a Christian site edited by my friend that is primarily geared to LGBT people and allies. This is the substance of the interview that I gave and that I thought you might want to read here. I be to reiterate my lay in this context that there is end consistency between being a Christian and being Gay! As my friend beautifully said. "Jesus came to act away our sins. Not our sexuality!" The distortions that undergo been promulgated from assorted pulpits and media outlets by professing Christians condeming Gay populate are not only dead do by but are unbiblical and unGodly! We are to never allow their ignorance and/or desire for material and/or political and/or psychological and/or social and/or go gains to go the truth of the only Gospel to be open in Christianity: The Gospel of alter faith like peace reconciliation and inclusiveness!The following is the article:"Christianity and LGBT populate: A Teaching Summary"By: Rev. Dr. Jerry S. ManekerRecently. I was asked to give an converse on a public listener sponsored communicate displace that largely has as its audience rather politically progressive populate most of whom can be expected to have an understandable detest for anything "Christian."Given the fact that most of the organized Church has been so enmeshed with the interests of the express tenaciously adhering to the status quo and has embarrassingly been in the vanguard of historically providing "justification" for the oppression of all sorts of minority groups such as women and in the not too distant past. Afro-Americans. I very much welcomed this invitation and sought to show how Christianity has been perverted by its all too frequent identification with Americanism militarism and capitalism; how there was absolutely nothing in the Bible that condemns same-sex like and in fact the Bible actually affirms same-sex love. I clearly wanted to dispel the false notion held by many that Christians are a clump of harsh censorious judgmental populate and sought to credibly present the Gospel both in and of itself as come up as present it in the context of the lives of LGBT people and same-sex love. I made the distinction first suggested to me by my friend Bishop Leland Somers between the Christian perform and the Constantinian Church the latter initiated when Constantine in the fourth Century made Christianity a State religion. We undergo yet to recover from that debacle. The Christian perform extols the only Gospel to be open in Christianity: the Gospel of alter and those who are Christians indeed desire to be agents of God's grace in this world to try to make the earth in the words of St. Augustine. "a colony of heaven." The Constantinian Church on the other transfer has historically aligned itself with Empire and the oppression of others for assorted psychological and/or social and/or political and/or material gain. The Christian Church comprised of the world wide be of believers who desire to be out the Gospel should have no affinity with the Constantinian perform; to the degree that Christians who be to Christ find themselves within its clutches. I strongly urge that they break away those churches and/or denominations and either sight a Christian church that reinforces our need and Godly mandate to be out the only Gospel to be open in Christianity: the Gospel of alter (God's unmerited advance to us) faith (trusting God over and above seen circumstances) like peace reconciliation and inclusiveness or disappear that option create their own adore communities or even if necessary adore God alone "in spirit and in truth," thereby avoiding the toxic soul-destroying churches that have aligned themselves with Empire and oppression that are diametrically opposed to Jesus' Commandments for us to love God and to love others including our enemies as much as we like ourselves. The following although not a literal rendering of my responses to the questions asked of me which followed a conversational style reflect what I said on that schedule and I thought you might find them of arouse and might be to adopt some or all of them in your interaction with others who conclude that God can't possibly love LGBT populate and who undergo a distorted view of Christianity tragically given how it has been portrayed in the mainstream media and how much if not most of the organized perform has been "infiltrated" by the influence of those who really belong and are beat consigned to the Constantinian perform. How do you define Christianity?The Gospel means: Good News! The good news is that we are God's children by God's grace alone (unmerited favor) and we appropriate that grace through our abiding faith (implacable trust) in God (i e trusting God over and above seen circumstances) like peace reconciliation and inclusiveness! That's the only Gospel to be found in Christianity. Unfortunately we are primarily exposed to the false gospel of legalism perfectionism and exclusion a false gospel that is diametrically opposed to the good news to Christianity itself. Far too many propound the gospel of genital placement rather than the Gospel of Christ; do by such egregious sins as unjust war poverty and disease. That's undoubtedly why so many intelligent sensitive and decent people be nothing to do with Christianity and change surface resent it (and who can blame them?) because so many undergo never been exposed to it either by word or by deed and relate it to a harsh censorious religion which is diametrically opposed to what Christianity really is. In Christianity all of the Commandments are fulfilled by loving God and by loving others! These are the only Commandments Jesus gives us! We are to never adjudicate or denounce others! (Mt. 7:1; Romans 2:1)What are some of the basic Bible quotes you've heard used by religious leaders to demonize LGBT people?First of all a tribal society living on the edge and surrounded by enemies must be "fruitful and calculate" if it is going to survive! Therefore under those conditions there is no premium placed on homosexual activity! However we are no longer a tribal society living on the edge; it's inappropriate to blindly ingeminate the cultural practices of ancient societies to contemporary society as to do so cheapens the Bible; is intellectually and spiritually dishonest; the Bible never makes such a affirm for itself. Biblical principle of freedom from yokes of bondage must always trump biblical learn!Gen. 19-The Sin of Sodom: It has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. It has to do with attempted gang rape! One would undergo to anticipate that all the men of Sodom were gay which is foolish on its face; if the 2 angels that visited Lot had been women. I doubt that the homophobic religious leaders would be condemning heterosexuality. Whenever Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned in the Bible homosexuality is never mentioned as its sin. Inhospitality and not taking care of the poor were its major sins! In Jude in the NT in referring to Sodom and Gomorrah. "giving themselves over to fornication" and going after "strange get rid of" are mentioned but "strange get rid of" probably meant the men seeking to gang rape angels and not human beings. Lev. 18:22-"Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman. It is an abomination." If homosexuality were being condemned here beyond.

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On August 3. 2007. I was asked to furnish an converse on a listener sponsored radio station on the affect of "Christianity and Gay Rights." The following bind encompassing that converse appears in the current issue of the excellent website that is a Christian site edited by my friend that is primarily geared to LGBT people and allies. This is the substance of the interview that I gave and that I thought you might be to read here. I want to tell my position in this context that there is complete consistency between being a Christian and being Gay! As my friend beautifully said. "Jesus came to take away our sins. Not our sexuality!" The distortions that undergo been promulgated from assorted pulpits and media outlets by professing Christians condeming Gay populate are not only dead do by but are unbiblical and unGodly! We are to never allow their ignorance and/or wish for material and/or political and/or psychological and/or social and/or career gains to go the truth of the only Gospel to be found in Christianity: The Gospel of grace faith love peace reconciliation and inclusiveness!The following is the article:"Christianity and LGBT People: A Teaching Summary"By: Rev. Dr. Jerry S. ManekerRecently. I was asked to furnish an converse on a public listener sponsored radio displace that largely has as its audience rather politically progressive people most of whom can be expected to have an understandable disdain for anything "Christian."Given the fact that most of the organized Church has been so enmeshed with the interests of the State tenaciously adhering to the status quo and has embarrassingly been in the vanguard of historically providing "justification" for the oppression of all sorts of minority groups such as women and in the not too distant past. Afro-Americans. I very much welcomed this invitation and sought to show how Christianity has been perverted by its all too frequent identification with Americanism militarism and capitalism; how there was absolutely nothing in the Bible that condemns same-sex love and in fact the Bible actually affirms same-sex love. I clearly wanted to displace the false notion held by many that Christians are a bunch of harsh censorious judgmental populate and sought to credibly present the Gospel both in and of itself as well as present it in the context of the lives of LGBT people and same-sex love. I made the distinction first suggested to me by my friend Bishop Leland Somers between the Christian Church and the Constantinian perform the latter initiated when Constantine in the fourth Century made Christianity a State religion. We undergo yet to recover from that debacle. The Christian Church extols the only Gospel to be found in Christianity: the Gospel of alter and those who are Christians indeed desire to be agents of God's grace in this world to try to alter the hide in the words of St. Augustine. "a colony of heaven." The Constantinian perform on the other hand has historically aligned itself with Empire and the oppression of others for assorted psychological and/or social and/or political and/or material obtain. The Christian Church comprised of the world wide body of believers who desire to be out the Gospel should have no affinity with the Constantinian perform; to the degree that Christians who be to Christ sight themselves within its clutches. I strongly advise that they break away those churches and/or denominations and either sight a Christian church that reinforces our be and Godly assign to be out the only Gospel to be open in Christianity: the Gospel of grace (God's unmerited favor to us) faith (trusting God over and above seen circumstances) like peace reconciliation and inclusiveness or absent that option create their own adore communities or change surface if necessary worship God alone "in spirit and in truth," thereby avoiding the toxic soul-destroying churches that undergo aligned themselves with Empire and oppression that are diametrically opposed to Jesus' Commandments for us to love God and to like others including our enemies as much as we like ourselves. The following although not a literal rendering of my responses to the questions asked of me which followed a conversational call designate what I said on that schedule and I thought you might find them of arouse and might want to adopt some or all of them in your interaction with others who feel that God can't possibly like LGBT populate and who undergo a distorted view of Christianity tragically given how it has been portrayed in the mainstream media and how much if not most of the organized Church has been "infiltrated" by the influence of those who really belong and are beat consigned to the Constantinian perform. How do you define Christianity?The Gospel means: Good News! The good news is that we are God's children by God's grace alone (unmerited favor) and we allot that alter through our abiding faith (implacable trust) in God (i e trusting God over and above seen circumstances) like peace reconciliation and inclusiveness! That's the only Gospel to be found in Christianity. Unfortunately we are primarily exposed to the false gospel of legalism perfectionism and exclusion a false gospel that is diametrically opposed to the good news to Christianity itself. Far too many propound the gospel of genital placement rather than the Gospel of Christ; ignore such egregious sins as unjust war poverty and disease. That's undoubtedly why so many intelligent sensitive and decent populate want nothing to do with Christianity and change surface dislike it (and who can accuse them?) because so many have never been exposed to it either by word or by deed and cerebrate it to a harsh censorious religion which is diametrically opposed to what Christianity really is. In Christianity all of the Commandments are fulfilled by loving God and by loving others! These are the only Commandments Jesus gives us! We are to never adjudicate or condemn others! (Mt. 7:1; Romans 2:1)What are some of the basic Bible quotes you've heard used by religious leaders to demonize LGBT people?First of all a tribal society living on the edge and surrounded by enemies must be "fruitful and multiply" if it is going to survive! Therefore under those conditions there is no premium placed on homosexual activity! However we are no longer a tribal society living on the edge; it's inappropriate to blindly ingeminate the cultural practices of ancient societies to contemporary society as to do so cheapens the Bible; is intellectually and spiritually dishonest; the Bible never makes such a claim for itself. Biblical principle of freedom from yokes of bondage must always trump biblical learn!Gen. 19-The Sin of Sodom: It has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. It has to do with attempted gang rape! One would undergo to assume that all the men of Sodom were gay which is foolish on its face; if the 2 angels that visited Lot had been women. I disbelieve that the homophobic religious leaders would be condemning heterosexuality. Whenever Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned in the Bible homosexuality is never mentioned as its sin. Inhospitality and not taking care of the poor were its study sins! In Jude in the NT in referring to Sodom and Gomorrah. "giving themselves over to fornication" and going after "strange flesh" are mentioned but "strange flesh" probably meant the men seeking to aggroup rape angels and not human beings. Lev. 18:22-"Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman. It is an abomination." If homosexuality were being condemned here beyond.

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