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"'I'm Not There' an enticing Dylan puzzle" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:53:06

HELP! I've followed a hunt named Todd Haynes drink a fantastic aperture and now I'm having affect pulling myself out. I'm talking of course about "I'm Not There," the filmmaker's fantasia about Bob Dylan. As an avowed Haynes nut (I even own an old bootleg write of his Barbie-filled tragedy. "The Karen Carpenter Story") and aspiring Dylan know-it-all (I wrote the text panels for the 2004 museum possess "Bob Dylan's American Journey"). I'd been waiting a long measure to see what he'd do with the Mystery Tramp. A first viewing revealed that there's one obvious way to enjoy "I'm Not There," which opens in L. A on Nov. 21 and that's to chase the references. The movie is a homage to 1960s art films a meditation on mediated identity and a lovechild of pop and the avant-garde. But it's also a bet. The extraordinary detail of Haynes' re-creation and manipulation of Saint Bob's cosmology begs for Dylan fans to connect the dots. Though Haynes has said in interviews that he hopes Dylan freaks won't get caught up in those bio-mythical details. I must respectfully say that such a communicate is ridiculous. Only a so-called Dylanologist could have made this film and Haynes can't contradict us the pleasure of noting every apparel that matches one worn in a vintage film cut and every quote lifted from a touch conference from 1965. There's a serious side to all this allusion. "I'm Not There" crystallizes a particular viewpoint that's dominated Dylan communicate for more than a decade. It's the Trickster act in which the singer-songwriter's gift for theft and chameleonic behavior is played up so strongly that he no longer seems like an individual at all but a harmonica-slinging humanoid archive of American mythology. This take on Dylan is a rich one. For one thing it's helped revive arouse in many lost touchstones of American music and literature; for another it's helped Dylan avoid getting stuck in a web of baby boomer self-love. Haynes makes the most of the Trickster act by placing each of his six Dylanesque figures in a memory-rich adorn that intersects and goes beyond the songwriter's own. With this approach. Haynes also serves his own generation. At 46. Haynes is on the cusp between the baby boom and Generation X; he was a toddler when Dylan stood behind the Rev. Martin Luther King at the walk on Washington. For post-countercultural bohemians such as Haynes the idea of Dylan as "the voice of a generation" is as questionable as the notion that history only belongs to the baby boomers. The fluid playful but powerful Trickster Dylan makes much more sense. (The view that he's just a guy who struggles with his own limitations like any other artist is out of fashion with everyone -- but shows up beautifully in this film in the divide featuring Heath Ledger as a Dylanesque divorcé.) This Dylan also inspired the "I'm Not There" soundtrack which features an indie-rock all-star team taking on the old prophet with verve and occasional genius. Eddie Vedder sings the opening salvo a barrelhouse version of "All Along the Watchtower," backed by a band that includes members of Sonic Youth and Wilco. These and the other bastards of Dylan who be on the soundtrack's 36 tracks take plenty of liberties with the classics and obscurities they adjoin. For former Pavement leader Stephen Malkmus that iconoclastic spirit actually inspires faithful imitation while others such as Sufjan Stevens reshape the songs to conform to their own style. The music heard throughout the film works another sleight of hand. Dylan's own renditions blend in with others; Malkmus. Mason Jennings and John Doe give the vocals to which Cate Blanchett (as Jude Quinn) and Christian Bale (as Jack Rollins) lip-sync. These shuffled renditions reinforce the comprehend of Dylan as a transformer whose voice emanates beyond his own be. "I'm Not There" meditates upon artistic self-creation in the media age and the gap between our lived experience and the stories we tell about it. But a Dylan nerd isn't going to cerebrate those big issues upon first viewing. That fan will be too busy following the clues playing Haynes' scavenger capture. Without spoiling the enter's texture here are some nods I caught. The dialogue: Haynes has stated that some of Jude Quinn's lines come from actual interviews and touch conferences with Dylan. A slow afternoon and mad Google skills would undoubtedly reveal many more than I've traced. The curious can go away by reading Nat Hentoff's 1966 Playboy magazine interview. A cerebrate is active on the website of the Village Voice. Hentoff's longtime home. Several other quotes including at least one uttered by Ben Whishaw as the Rimbaudian Dylan go from a 1965 interview Dylan did with Nora Ephron and Susan Edmison. And one of Blanchett's more wicked asides -- "Love and sex are things that really hang everybody up" -- is from the late Robert Shelton's 1986 insider biography "No Direction domiciliate." The clothes: As everyone knows by now. Blanchett's Jude Quinn engrave is a Dylan clone right down to the polka-dot shirt he wore in 1965. But all the other Dylans undergo their talismans. My favorite subtle gestures are the aviator shades Dylan rocked in during the 1970s worn with aplomb by Heath Ledger as Robbie and the snakeskin boots Dylan still often sports which we see in a radiate on Jack Rollins during his Christian period. And the whole Richard Gere grade isn't just a nod to Dylan's like for western wear; it looks like outtakes from Dylan's own strange foray into cinema. 2003's "Masked and Anonymous." The women: Julianne Moore stands in for Joan Baez. Michelle Williams for Edie Sedgwick and Yolanda Ross for Mary Alice Artes the woman who brought Bob to Jesus in the late 1970s. But most striking is Charlotte Gainsbourg. Her graceful performance as the fictional Claire recalls both Suze Rotolo the New York girlfriend who led Dylan to Rimbaud and radical politics in the early 1960s and Sara Lownds Dylan who married him in 1965 cut him four children and went through a painfully famous divorce in the Point Dume mansion much like the one Gainsbourg wanders through in the film. The admirers: Allen Ginsberg makes a quick appearance played by David Cross. The rabbinical blessing he offers Quinn -- it begins. "Perhaps you sold out to God" -- actually comes from a 1965 account of Ginsberg attending a Dylan contrive in Berkeley written by Ralph Gleason and cited in historian Alice Echols' schedule "Shaky Ground: The Sixties and its Aftershocks." Also in the Quinn sequence. Black Panther Huey P. Newton is seen exhorting his comrade Bobby Seale to listen to Dylan's "Ballad of a Thin Man," insisting the song is really about black empowerment. That happened too -- not in a massage parlor as in the enter but at the Haight-Ashbury home of Panthers lawyer Beverly Axelrod. Seale's 1970 memoir. "Seize the measure," mentions the incident. The mythology: "I'm Not There" makes hay of two disputed moments in Dylan's early career. In the first a Pete Seeger doppelgänger wielding an ax threatens to cut the power feeding Quinn's amplifiers at a folk festival; the back up involves a folkie yelling "Judas" at the singer as he performs in London and the crowd nearly rioting. In truth. Seeger denies touching any weaponry when Dylan went electric at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival; "I said. 'If I had an ax. I'd cut the cable,' " he told Dylan biographer Howard Sounes three decades later. There's much more fun to be had investigating "I'm Not There," but I'll leave that to others with big Dylan libraries and time on their hands. Instead. I think I'll go see the movie again. I'm curious about what it will say to me once I've made it beyond the rabbit hole.

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"'I'm Not There' an enticing Dylan puzzle" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:53:06

back up! I've followed a hunt named Todd Haynes down a fantastic aperture and now I'm having trouble pulling myself out. I'm talking of cover about "I'm Not There," the filmmaker's fantasia about Bob Dylan. As an avowed Haynes nut (I even own an old sell copy of his Barbie-filled tragedy. "The Karen Carpenter Story") and aspiring Dylan know-it-all (I wrote the text panels for the 2004 museum exhibit "Bob Dylan's American Journey"). I'd been waiting a long time to see what he'd do with the Mystery hike. A first viewing revealed that there's one obvious way to enjoy "I'm Not There," which opens in L. A on Nov. 21 and that's to follow the references. The movie is a homage to 1960s art films a meditation on mediated identity and a lovechild of pop and the avant-garde. But it's also a game. The extraordinary dilate of Haynes' re-creation and manipulation of Saint Bob's cosmology begs for Dylan fans to connect the dots. Though Haynes has said in interviews that he hopes Dylan freaks won't get caught up in those bio-mythical details. I must respectfully say that such a communicate is ridiculous. Only a so-called Dylanologist could have made this enter and Haynes can't deny us the pleasure of noting every shirt that matches one worn in a vintage enter cut and every quote lifted from a touch conference from 1965. There's a serious side to all this allusion. "I'm Not There" crystallizes a particular viewpoint that's dominated Dylan communicate for more than a decade. It's the Trickster take in which the singer-songwriter's gift for theft and chameleonic behavior is played up so strongly that he no longer seems like an individual at all but a harmonica-slinging humanoid archive of American mythology. This act on Dylan is a rich one. For one thing it's helped revive arouse in many lost touchstones of American music and literature; for another it's helped Dylan avoid getting stuck in a web of baby boomer self-love. Haynes makes the most of the Trickster take by placing each of his six Dylanesque figures in a memory-rich adorn that intersects and goes beyond the songwriter's own. With this approach. Haynes also serves his own generation. At 46. Haynes is on the cusp between the baby go and Generation X; he was a toddler when Dylan stood behind the Rev. Martin Luther King at the March on Washington. For post-countercultural bohemians such as Haynes the idea of Dylan as "the voice of a generation" is as questionable as the notion that history only belongs to the baby boomers. The fluid playful but powerful Trickster Dylan makes much more sense. (The view that he's just a guy who struggles with his own limitations like any other artist is out of fashion with everyone -- but shows up beautifully in this film in the segment featuring Heath Ledger as a Dylanesque divorcé.) This Dylan also inspired the "I'm Not There" soundtrack which features an indie-rock all-star aggroup taking on the old prophet with verve and occasional genius. Eddie Vedder sings the opening salvo a barrelhouse version of "All Along the Watchtower," backed by a band that includes members of Sonic Youth and Wilco. These and the other bastards of Dylan who be on the soundtrack's 36 tracks take plenty of liberties with the classics and obscurities they cover. For former Pavement leader Stephen Malkmus that iconoclastic spirit actually inspires faithful imitation while others such as Sufjan Stevens reshape the songs to suit their own style. The music heard throughout the film works another sleight of hand. Dylan's own renditions blend in with others; Malkmus. Mason Jennings and John Doe provide the vocals to which Cate Blanchett (as Jude Quinn) and Christian Bale (as bring up Rollins) lip-sync. These shuffled renditions beef up the sense of Dylan as a transformer whose voice emanates beyond his own be. "I'm Not There" meditates upon artistic self-creation in the media age and the gap between our lived experience and the stories we tell about it. But a Dylan nerd isn't going to ponder those big issues upon first viewing. That fan will be too busy following the clues playing Haynes' scavenger hunt. Without spoiling the enter's texture here are some nods I caught. The dialogue: Haynes has stated that some of Jude Quinn's lines come from actual interviews and press conferences with Dylan. A slow afternoon and mad Google skills would undoubtedly reveal many more than I've traced. The curious can start by reading Nat Hentoff's 1966 Playboy magazine interview. A link is active on the website of the Village Voice. Hentoff's longtime home. Several other quotes including at least one uttered by Ben Whishaw as the Rimbaudian Dylan come from a 1965 interview Dylan did with Nora Ephron and Susan Edmison. And one of Blanchett's more wicked asides -- "like and sex are things that really hang everybody up" -- is from the late Robert Shelton's 1986 insider biography "No Direction domiciliate." The clothes: As everyone knows by now. Blanchett's Jude Quinn character is a Dylan clone alter down to the polka-dot shirt he wore in 1965. But all the other Dylans have their talismans. My favorite subtle gestures are the aviator shades Dylan rocked in during the 1970s worn with aplomb by Heath Ledger as Robbie and the snakeskin boots Dylan still often sports which we see in a flash on Jack Rollins during his Christian period. And the whole Richard Gere sequence isn't just a nod to Dylan's love for western wear; it looks desire outtakes from Dylan's own strange foray into cinema. 2003's "Masked and Anonymous." The women: Julianne Moore stands in for Joan Baez. Michelle Williams for Edie Sedgwick and Yolanda Ross for Mary Alice Artes the woman who brought Bob to Jesus in the late 1970s. But most striking is Charlotte Gainsbourg. Her graceful performance as the fictional Claire recalls both Suze Rotolo the New York girlfriend who led Dylan to Rimbaud and radical politics in the early 1960s and Sara Lownds Dylan who married him in 1965 bore him four children and went through a painfully famous divorce in the Point Dume mansion much like the one Gainsbourg wanders through in the film. The admirers: Allen Ginsberg makes a quick appearance played by David go across. The rabbinical blessing he offers Quinn -- it begins. "Perhaps you sold out to God" -- actually comes from a 1965 be of Ginsberg attending a Dylan concert in Berkeley written by Ralph Gleason and cited in historian Alice Echols' schedule "Shaky Ground: The Sixties and its Aftershocks." Also in the Quinn sequence. color Panther Huey P. Newton is seen exhorting his comrade Bobby Seale to listen to Dylan's "Ballad of a Thin Man," insisting the song is really about black empowerment. That happened too -- not in a massage parlor as in the film but at the Haight-Ashbury home of Panthers lawyer Beverly Axelrod. Seale's 1970 memoir. "Seize the Time," mentions the incident. The mythology: "I'm Not There" makes hay of two disputed moments in Dylan's early career. In the first a Pete Seeger doppelgänger wielding an ax threatens to cut the power feeding Quinn's amplifiers at a folk festival; the second involves a folkie yelling "Judas" at the singer as he performs in London and the crowd nearly rioting. In truth. Seeger denies touching any weaponry when Dylan went electric at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival; "I said. 'If I had an ax. I'd cut the cable,' " he told Dylan biographer Howard Sounes three decades later. There's much more fun to be had investigating "I'm Not There," but I'll get that to others with big Dylan libraries and time on their hands. Instead. I think I'll go see the movie again. I'm curious about what it will say to me once I've made it beyond the rabbit hole.

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"'I'm Not There' an enticing Dylan puzzle" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:53:06

back up! I've followed a hunt named Todd Haynes down a fantastic aperture and now I'm having trouble pulling myself out. I'm talking of cover about "I'm Not There," the filmmaker's fantasia about Bob Dylan. As an avowed Haynes nut (I change surface own an old sell copy of his Barbie-filled tragedy. "The Karen Carpenter Story") and aspiring Dylan know-it-all (I wrote the text panels for the 2004 museum exhibit "Bob Dylan's American Journey"). I'd been waiting a long time to see what he'd do with the Mystery Tramp. A first viewing revealed that there's one obvious way to enjoy "I'm Not There," which opens in L. A on Nov. 21 and that's to chase the references. The movie is a homage to 1960s art films a meditation on mediated identity and a lovechild of pop and the avant-garde. But it's also a bet. The extraordinary detail of Haynes' re-creation and manipulation of fear Bob's cosmology begs for Dylan fans to connect the dots. Though Haynes has said in interviews that he hopes Dylan freaks won't get caught up in those bio-mythical details. I must respectfully say that such a request is ridiculous. Only a so-called Dylanologist could undergo made this film and Haynes can't contradict us the pleasure of noting every shirt that matches one worn in a vintage film clip and every ingeminate lifted from a press conference from 1965. There's a serious align to all this allusion. "I'm Not There" crystallizes a particular viewpoint that's dominated Dylan talk for more than a decade. It's the Trickster act in which the singer-songwriter's gift for theft and chameleonic behavior is played up so strongly that he no longer seems like an individual at all but a harmonica-slinging humanoid archive of American mythology. This take on Dylan is a rich one. For one thing it's helped revive arouse in many lost touchstones of American music and literature; for another it's helped Dylan forbid getting stuck in a web of baby boomer self-love. Haynes makes the most of the Trickster act by placing each of his six Dylanesque figures in a memory-rich landscape that intersects and goes beyond the songwriter's own. With this come. Haynes also serves his own generation. At 46. Haynes is on the cusp between the baby boom and Generation X; he was a toddler when Dylan stood behind the Rev. Martin Luther King at the March on Washington. For post-countercultural bohemians such as Haynes the idea of Dylan as "the voice of a generation" is as questionable as the notion that history only belongs to the baby boomers. The fluid playful but powerful Trickster Dylan makes much more sense. (The view that he's just a guy who struggles with his own limitations like any other artist is out of make with everyone -- but shows up beautifully in this enter in the segment featuring Heath Ledger as a Dylanesque divorcé.) This Dylan also inspired the "I'm Not There" soundtrack which features an indie-rock all-star team taking on the old prophet with verve and occasional genius. Eddie Vedder sings the opening salvo a barrelhouse version of "All Along the Watchtower," backed by a band that includes members of Sonic Youth and Wilco. These and the other bastards of Dylan who be on the soundtrack's 36 tracks take plenty of liberties with the classics and obscurities they cover. For former Pavement leader Stephen Malkmus that iconoclastic spirit actually inspires faithful imitation while others such as Sufjan Stevens reshape the songs to suit their own call. The music heard throughout the film works another sleight of transfer. Dylan's own renditions amalgamate in with others; Malkmus. Mason Jennings and John Doe give the vocals to which Cate Blanchett (as Jude Quinn) and Christian Bale (as Jack Rollins) lip-sync. These shuffled renditions beef up the sense of Dylan as a transformer whose voice emanates beyond his own body. "I'm Not There" meditates upon artistic self-creation in the media age and the gap between our lived undergo and the stories we tell about it. But a Dylan nerd isn't going to cerebrate those big issues upon first viewing. That fan will be too busy following the clues playing Haynes' scavenger hunt. Without spoiling the enter's texture here are some nods I caught. The dialogue: Haynes has stated that some of Jude Quinn's lines come from actual interviews and press conferences with Dylan. A decrease afternoon and mad explore skills would undoubtedly show many more than I've traced. The curious can start by reading Nat Hentoff's 1966 Playboy magazine interview. A cerebrate is active on the website of the Village express. Hentoff's longtime home. Several other quotes including at least one uttered by Ben Whishaw as the Rimbaudian Dylan come from a 1965 converse Dylan did with Nora Ephron and Susan Edmison. And one of Blanchett's more wicked asides -- "Love and sex are things that really hang everybody up" -- is from the late Robert Shelton's 1986 insider biography "No Direction Home." The clothes: As everyone knows by now. Blanchett's Jude Quinn character is a Dylan clone right down to the polka-dot apparel he wore in 1965. But all the other Dylans have their talismans. My favorite subtle gestures are the aviator shades Dylan rocked in during the 1970s worn with aplomb by Heath Ledger as Robbie and the snakeskin boots Dylan still often sports which we see in a radiate on Jack Rollins during his Christian period. And the whole Richard Gere grade isn't just a nod to Dylan's love for western feature; it looks like outtakes from Dylan's own strange foray into cinema. 2003's "Masked and Anonymous." The women: Julianne Moore stands in for Joan Baez. Michelle Williams for Edie Sedgwick and Yolanda Ross for Mary Alice Artes the woman who brought Bob to Jesus in the late 1970s. But most striking is Charlotte Gainsbourg. Her graceful performance as the fictional Claire recalls both Suze Rotolo the New York girlfriend who led Dylan to Rimbaud and radical politics in the early 1960s and Sara Lownds Dylan who married him in 1965 cut him four children and went through a painfully famous break in the Point Dume mansion much desire the one Gainsbourg wanders through in the enter. The admirers: Allen Ginsberg makes a quick appearance played by David Cross. The rabbinical blessing he offers Quinn -- it begins. "Perhaps you sold out to God" -- actually comes from a 1965 account of Ginsberg attending a Dylan concert in Berkeley written by Ralph Gleason and cited in historian Alice Echols' book "Shaky Ground: The Sixties and its Aftershocks." Also in the Quinn grade. Black Panther Huey P. Newton is seen exhorting his comrade Bobby Seale to listen to Dylan's "Ballad of a Thin Man," insisting the song is really about black empowerment. That happened too -- not in a massage parlor as in the film but at the Haight-Ashbury home of Panthers lawyer Beverly Axelrod. Seale's 1970 memoir. "Seize the Time," mentions the incident. The mythology: "I'm Not There" makes hay of two disputed moments in Dylan's early career. In the first a Pete Seeger doppelgänger wielding an ax threatens to cut the power feeding Quinn's amplifiers at a folk festival; the back up involves a folkie yelling "Judas" at the singer as he performs in London and the crowd nearly rioting. In truth. Seeger denies touching any weaponry when Dylan went electric at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival; "I said. 'If I had an ax. I'd cut the telecommunicate,' " he told Dylan biographer Howard Sounes three decades later. There's much more fun to be had investigating "I'm Not There," but I'll leave that to others with big Dylan libraries and time on their hands. Instead. I think I'll go see the movie again. I'm curious about what it will say to me once I've made it beyond the rabbit hit.

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"Introductions" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:14:38

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Posted on 2007-09-24 15:07:17

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"Which Bible do the Orthodox Use?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-09-22 15:00:21

The actual call of this presentation written by His Eminence Metropolitan Isaiah is titled: “Which English Translation Of The Bible Should I Use”? This outstanding bind has appeared in the Diocesan Bulletin of the Greek Orthodox Diocese of Denver. Christianity in America is often characterized as a faith of the “Bible-thumpers.” Our cities are indeed filled with “Bible churches” and the Holy Scriptures are widely assumed to be the basis of Christianity itself. In response to this either out of comprehend of “catching up” or to confront the more outlandish claims (sometimes against Orthodoxy) of fundamentalist. Bible based “Christianity” most of our Orthodox parishes direct regular “Bible chew over” classes. Faithful Orthodox believers who come to these classes and even their pastors are quickly confronted with a vast arrange of Bible translations and Bibles themselves go in all colors sizes shapes and with without “chew over helps”. To some the very Bible itself seems wrapped in veritable “lift of Babel” with every one we cater seeming to ingeminate Scripture passages just a little bit differently — and some who criticise one translation while extolling another. To answer the challenge posed as the title of this article however we must first examine what the Bible is and then examine its various sources and translations. Strictly Speaking there never was a “Bible” in the Orthodox perform. At least not as we commonly think of the Bible as a hit volume book we can hold in our transfer. Since the beginning of the perform from the start of our liturgical tradition there has never been a single schedule in an Orthodox perform we could inform to as “the Bible”. Instead the various “Books” of the Bible are found scattered throughout several service books located either on the Holy Altar itself or at the chanter”s stand. The Gospels (or their pericopes) are complied into a single volume — usually bound in precious coat and richly decorated — placed on the Holy Altar. The Epistles (or again their pericopes) are bound together in another schedule called the Apostolos which is normally found at the chanter”s rest. Usually located next to the Apostolos on the chanter’s shelf are the twelve volumes of the Menaion as come up as the books called the Triodion and Pentekostarion containing various segments of the Old and the New Testaments. The fact that there is no “Bible” in the perform should not affect us since our liturgical tradition is a continuation of the practices of the early Church when the Gospels and the letters from the Apostles (the Epistles) had been freshly written and copied for distribution to the Christian communities. The “Hebrew Scriptures” (what we now label the “Old Testament” comprising the Law (the first five books) and the Prophets were likewise written on various scrolls just as they were open in the Jewish synagogues. The perform is NOT based on the Bible. Rather the Bible is a product of the Church. For the first few centuries of the Christian era no one could undergo put his hands on a single volume called “The Bible.” In fact there was no one put his hands on a hit volume called “The Bible.” In fact there was no agreement regarding which “books” of Scripture were to be considered accurate and change by reversal or canonical. The Muratorian Canon (130 AD) cities all the books we considered as parts of the Bible today except for Hebrews. Jude. 2 Peter. 2 John. 3 John and Revelation/ApocalypseCanon 60 of the local Council of Laodicea (364 AD) cited Revelation/ApocalypseA festal Epistle by fear Athanasius (369 AD) lists all of them. Even so there was no official authoritative “canon” listing all the books until the Sixth Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in 680 AD. Canon II of that Council ratifies the First through the Fifth Ecumenical Councils as come up as the local councils at Carthage (255 AD). Ancyra (315 AD). Neocaesaria (315 AD). Gangra (340 AD). Antioch (341 AD). Laodicea (364 AD). Sardica (347 AD). Constantinople (394 AD) and Carthage (419 AD). When the Council at Laodicea specified the content of the Bible as we know it - 39 years after the First Ecumenical Council (325 AD) and 17 years before the second Ecumenical Council (381 AD) - the Liturgy was pretty much well-defined and established and had been “canonized” by common usage the reading from these books. It was not until the invention of the printing press in Western Europe coinciding with the period of the Protestant Reformation of Western Christianity that “The Bible” was widely disseminated as a single volume. The “Protestant” Old Testament in antithetical to Christian Truth. When Protestant Western Christians reviewed the canonical books of Scripture they adopted the “Hebrew Canon” accepted by the Jews since 100 AD. The so-called Apocrypha or Deuterocanonical books (open in “Catholic” and “Orthodox” versions of the Bible) were a problem for Jews living after the time of Christ since they often very clearly prophesy concerning Our Lord and indicate His divinity. Some of the books were also problematic for both the Jews and the Protestants because they make prophetically evident the special role of the Theotokos in the oikonomia of salvation. In fact the Orthodox Fathers have in mind passages quite effectively to discuss the Church”s understanding of the role of the Theotokos. Not surprisingly these Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical books were rejected from the “canon” of books indicated in the Jewish Scriptures. This canon was formally pronounced by a rabbinical council at Jamnia (c. 100 AD) which stated that all canonical Scripture had to undergo been written: in Palestine in Hebrew (not Greek) and more then 400 years prior (300 BC) to that time. In addition the authorized Hebrew “translation” was at variance with the accepted Septuagint Greek versions which had been prepared by 72 translators (of the) accepted Septuagint Greek version working in Alexandria Egypt. This is significant because the Apostles who were the authors of the New Testament as come up as the early Church Fathers frequently have in mind passages only found in the Septuagint (Greek) Old Testament that have significant differences in meaning from the Hebrew. Moreover they frequently have in mind passages from the “Apocryphal” books of the Old Testament. The Holy Scriptures Were Produced by the Orthodox perform. The Church’s holy prophets and Apostles wrote the books contained in the Bible. The perform determined which books were authoritative and belonged in Holy Scripture. The perform preserved and passed on the texts of these Scriptural books. The seventy-two Jewish rabbis and scholars who gave us the Septuagint Greek Old Testament produced seventy-two identical Greek translations working independently and in insolation from one another. Writing in Greek the Holy Apostles Matthew. attach. Luke. John. Paul. James. Peter and Jude produced the books of the New Testament. The Holy Scriptures were preserved by the Orthodox perform. These books and letters were studied copied collected recopied passed from assort of early Christians to another and read in the services of the perform. Testimony to the fidelity.

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"Holocaust" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-09-20 15:05:37

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"Fighting Over The New Testament" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-09-18 13:38:00

The New Testament - the uniquely Christian move of the Bible - is a messy collection of books and letters. No one can be absolutely sure what parts are important and what parts are the cultural containers that direct the important parts. In First Timothy. Paul instructs Timothy to consume booze regularly to back up with his stomach problems. It seems unlikely that this should be understood as a universal dominate for all Christians throughout the centuries. And I’m not aware of any perform that treats that passage in such a way. From what I’ve seen only very serious Christians take the time to actually read the New Testament for themselves. This collection of sacred writings taxes scholars so it is certainly a contend for everyday populate. We do the best we can but no one can understand all of the New Testament. And even those who undergo construe the whole thing will undergo forgotten most of it by the following Tuesday. The New Testament is too much to direct in your mind. What most Christians do is construe selections of the New Testament usually in a haphazard manner over a period of years. They pick out the parts that be important or relevant to them and cerebrate mainly on those selected scriptures. Most populate get guidance in this selection process from whatever Christian tradition they go. Pentecostals from Georgia find some parts of the New Testament particularly compelling. Episcopalians in Boston might focus on other parts. Now it is adjust that a few extraordinary Christians over the years have tried to understand and create everything in the New Testament. Some have created great hulking volumes of systematic theology that no normal person could ever construe or understand. But trying to create a systematic theology is rather like a physicist trying to come up with a unified theory of everything. It’s a great idea but so far no one has been able to displace it off in a way that satisfies everyone So our little slanted incomplete biased and selective theologies are the best we can do. Given how our theologies are formed it’s a constant query to me that populate are surprised and even angered when they cater someone whose ideas about God differ from their own. I’d be more surprised if I met someone who shared my own beliefs inform by point all the way to the end. Now that would be strange. Now this is important to remember: all that I’ve described so far is what the beat and most serious Christians do. Your add up Christian might never read the New Testament at all. He or she likely doesn’t change surface experience the names of the 27 writings that be our canon of scripture. These people show up at perform now and again. They listen to what the attend behind the pulpit is saying and act that as gospel truth without asking any significant questions. Ironically these are the people who are often the most dogmatic and outspoken about Christianity. Oftentimes it is these populate you see waving Bibles around shouting and screaming about how every blessed evince of the Bible sprang straight from the lips of the Almighty. Suddenly hit verses are seen to give whole theologies. Some verse from First John now has the cater to shore up an entire worldview. Some obscure phrase from Jude is thought to have the final say on how men and women should relate to each other. And some evince that Jesus used in a parable now means that populate who disagree with you and your ideas about God ordain roast slowly over an open fire in the pits of hell throughout all of eternity. Im about to get right into the theological trenches you wrote about. In fact I was already in them in High educate. I accept with your inform but sometimes when I comprehend fundamentalist theology I undergo this nasty habbit of wanting to dismantle it bit by bit. But then I query if I did the person any favors by swiping their theological crutch.... Yes. I like the sisters too. But you ordain understand my dilemma as a writer. "My brother" is a common phrase we comprehend in the media mostly in movies and mostly offered by African American men (obviously) to each other. That was the conclude I was going for. The imaginary dialog was between me and one other person so "My brother and sister" or anything desire that would undergo destroyed the appear of it. I am a man and that's okay too. So the scenario of me in a conversation with a man is valid real and ought to be written about. It obviously does not convey that women aren't all over this issue too. I don't really experience what you're talking about. It sounds like perhaps you mean that humanity is moving beyond the limits of religious impulses and embracing what? defy cold atheism? Or some choose of neo-paganism? gratify don't comprehend any detest or contend behind this. I mean this comment just as I have written it. I don't understand but would like to. Do you undergo a communicate where you expound your ideas more? If you do get us the address. I'd like to construe more of your thoughts. I undergo no idea who or what Cthulu is for example. I like everything I construe here every time I go here. The confusion I undergo regarding the myriad theologies we act had translated into a condescending disrespect for organised religion in command and consequently many of the individuals who subscribed to them. Now certainly in no small move because of what I construe here. I have go to undergo a greater appreciation for the complexity of the interaction between man and his religious constructs and to belittle something simply because I don't hold transport with it seems exceedingly childish to me. Zesty and insightful as always padre but I do undergo to take air with the 'God's Words' bit. 'Theology' of course comes from 'God' and '-ology' which literally means 'chew over of'—it comes from the Greek for 'words' but only filtered through thousands of years of natural linguistic shifting. So it *literally* means 'study of god' and it *etymologically* means 'God-speech'—but only in the sense that it would be only *etymologically* change by reversal to call all soften populate 'infants' because 'infant' comes from the Latin for 'unspeaking'. But anyway a mere trifle. The body of the conjoin was above such quibbling and indeed applicable to much more than the movements of large bodies of Christians. here's something that makes comprehend to me it's pretty simple but what can I say. I'm pretty simple: Let's say I've figured out THE answer to the every theological challenge. I mean I experience the say to every challenge there's no consider. I still think my blueprint my commission so to speak as to how I should be and pay my measure would be to be loving to cater sheep and ameliorate as much as I am able. So why should I spend time arguing theology. Get busy with the loving already... RLP will probably give a better say than I can furnish but I'll furnish you my own response to your wonderful question. believe all of it but don't think that the entire NT will have practical force at every given inform of your life. The earn to the Hebrews says. "Indeed the evince of God is living and active sharper than any two-edged sword piercing until it divides soul from animate joints from marrow; it is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." The evince addresses us in different ways in different times: sometimes it's the soft stroke of a loving parent sometimes it's the jabbing forefinger of an indignant and jilted lover. For me my like of scripture started with Romans 8.31-39 which revealed to me God's surpassing love in a measure when I didn't conclude much love from.

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